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Comment by The Man on July 19, 2011 at 11:28pm

From what I'm understanding is that they pulled the item off the agenda. Which is the right thing to do because it's too late to do anything about it. The ordinance is already in motion, and if they did try to bring it back to council, it would be a month, which is the time they are asking for.

I think they knew it was going to get withdrawn. It was such a late notice.

Comment by JulsnMatt1028 on July 19, 2011 at 10:16pm

::Tongue In Cheek::

Comment by LBReport.com on July 19, 2011 at 9:25pm

They had a Council meeting when they could have said something and didn't.  They have their own websites and use Facebook to communicate.  Why should we have to chase them on this?

Comment by JulsnMatt1028 on July 19, 2011 at 9:06pm

Yeah, I definitely think they owe some explanations... Should we make a friendly bet to see who can get one first? No cheating by making phones calls before excepting though... :)

Comment by LBReport.com on July 19, 2011 at 5:42pm

Moments ago, Mayor Foster announced -- without explanation -- that the Lowenthal/Garcia/DeLong item on plastic bags "has been withdrawn."  Just curious to know: Do you think at least one of the 3 co-agendizers owes the public some sort of explanation as to why their item was abruptly withdrawn and by whom?  Thanks for your many comment to date.

Comment by Pedro Martinez on July 18, 2011 at 1:54pm

i use plastic bags to clean up the poop in my cats litter box and i know people who use it to pick up their dogs poopoo, so i say nah nah nah.

Comment by JulsnMatt1028 on July 18, 2011 at 10:01am

Hmm, interesting Ron... I didn't catch the original lightweight detail previously. Which is why I was asking to better understand the argument of heavier, thicker bags not being the problem.

 

Do you think that perhaps even though the problem maybe more sourced "upstream", if Long Beach acts then we may serve as an example to the other cities upstream?

Comment by The Man on July 18, 2011 at 10:01am

Nice, you bring up some good ideas and points R. Antonette. Yup, a lot of things come from cities upstream on the LA river, and Long Beach gets the end of it all... 

 

And you're right, Heal The Bay runs a strong operation....

Comment by R. Antonette on July 18, 2011 at 9:36am

As I understood the debate, the goal was to ban the lightweight bags that can take flight. In other words, the bags used by virtually all stores in Long Beach, an outcome of the "ban paper bags" movement two decades ago. The grocers agreed to it because they would earn 10 cents - 9 of which likely is profit - for every paper bag that they used to give away 20 years ago for free. 

 

Now it's hard to argue that keeping plastic bags off the beaches are a bad thing ... but there are several dozen communities and cities upstream on the L.A. River that are the root of the problem. Long Beach has an effective recycling program in place, and militant (in a good way) beach-goers and cleaners who strive to keep our city clean.

 

Will be interesting to see how the councilwoman's repeal efforts go. Long Beach voters could organize a petition to bring this to a ballot, but it would need a highly tactical plan to combat the well-oiled Heal The Bay machine that is pushing this.

 

Frankly, what might be needed here is not a banning bags at grocery stores but banning them from our beaches - meaning Alfredo's and PF Chang's can't use those take-out bags there, and mom and pop have to bring a cooler instead of a plastic bag.

Comment by JulsnMatt1028 on July 17, 2011 at 11:40pm

I don't really mind the delay thing, that's "whatever" to me. I just also happen to think it should just be a flat out across the board ban. Whether it's grocery, shoes, Buffalo Bills Jersey, or annoying rally monkeys (lol, sorry inside joke). The point is, just get rid of them...

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